TU Has Only Two Options: Linc or Own Stadium

Click on the four letters "PENN" for plenty of reasons why Temple should never consider playing there.

Click on the four letters “PENN” for plenty of reasons why Temple should never consider playing there.

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20 thoughts on “TU Has Only Two Options: Linc or Own Stadium

  1. Mike, couldn’t agree more. This is starting to look like 2004 all over again, playing in a facility where Temple doesn’t have control over scheduling, probably no more ability for Temple and AAC signage, sharing locker rooms with Penn, at least at the Linc Temple has their own locker room facilities and a stadium probably no more convenient to main campus than the Linc. If the situation does turn out to be that building an on-campus stadium is the best alternative, and I really have my doubts that about that, then the only way Temple should be playing at Franklin Field is for 1 season while the new Temple Stadium is being completed. I also agree that after reading thein Inquirer story the are at least as believable as Theobald, if not more so.

  2. Sounds like a planted story by Temple. For all of this “talk” about the stadium, no official announcement speaks volumes by Temple. They are dipping their toes in this big-time football thing and, to do it right, you’ve got to jump in the pool. Either build the freaking thing, like Tulane did, or continue the Linc lease, which is really a great place to play. Got to get more Temple fans in there by WINNING and not worry about how it looks until then.

  3. Every day, TU football seems to have another roadblock placed in its way and the Eagles seem to be another one if Theobald can be believed. I think part of the problem is that while TU has spent money on the program, they have not gone all in and those making the decisions more often then not have taken the easy way out. That how we got Jerry Berndt, Ron Dickerson, Bobby Wallace, Adazzio, Coach Rhule, and even Al Golden. But for Golden, who’s having his own problems in Miami, they were hired partly because they were all cheaper than “name” coaches. Regarding name coaches, look what Tuberville has done at Cincinnati. We have better facilities than Cincinnati and I can go on about hiring coaches that have had success previously. None of those prior Temple Coaches had success previously at the D-1 level and most of them were never head coaches ever. Jerry Berndt was an abject failure after he coached at Penn. Is it any wonder most of them failed miserably? Now, while it appears that the Eagles may be trying to extort the Owls, although that story may have been planted, it seems to me that the Owls will have to pay the price to stay in the league and that includes a top flight facility. The league looks like it can be a player in football and basketball for years to come and if the Owls are jettisoned, that would be the end of football and maybe basketball. If the story was planted, I think it was a big mistake to anger the organization holding all of the cards. Moreover, I don’t think that the lack of a place to play or portraying the Eagles as Simon Legree will make the millions necessary to build an on-campus facility appear. Finally, why this University hasn’t played up to Comcast is beyond me. Look what Papa John’s has done for Louisville. Not only would the Owls provide content for the “9 million” networks Comcast owns, a first-rate collegiate stadium could be used for any number of events, corporate, university, or otherwise. In conclusion, the Owls have to decide whether they want a first rate program or not and if they don’t it’s time to end football.

    • Great point about Cincinnati. It’s no coincidence that the Bearcats won 3 of the last 4 BE titles. They went out and hired the “best head coaches” available. They could have cared less if those coaches stayed for the long haul, as long as they won. Cincy was no better in football than Temple was when it adopted the model of hiring accomplished head coaches, rather roll the dice with an unproven assistant. Temple hired Rhule because Owls put too much weight in what the players, parents and other administrators (love Al Shrier and Larry Dougherty, but they should have no input in picking a head football coach) thought of Rhule. Leonard Tose rolled the dice a lot and he lost a fortune. I fear that’s where Temple is headed.

  4. Colorado State figured this out and is building a new stadium, so why not us? …, appears it is time for Temple to ‘double down’ on big time college football and start raising money….., btw, I would reduce the lease by 50% if I owned Lincoln Financial, everyone benefits if Temple Football is successful…, City of Brotherly Love?

  5. The Rooneys practically allow Pitt to play for free at Heinz Field (at least compared to what Lurie charges Temple) and also have 4 WPIAL championship games there every year. Why doesn’t Lurie allow the Public and Catholic Leagues to play championship games there? The kids would love it,but Lurie is not as community-minded as he thinks he is.

    • Mike, Things are a little different in Pittsburgh than in Philly, with regard to the use of the stadium. It is not really a good comparison between Linc and Heinz. Heinz was built with partial public funds, which means that public school games, ie WPIAL playoffs are played there – while I agree Steelers owners hold tons of power, but don’t think ownership has final say in this matter. Heinz Field is actually categorized as a city park and/or public use space. When you see the Heinz Field turf torn up in mid December, and people are complaining how could this happen – of course it is a result of high school games. So don’t you think the Steelers would prevent high school games on their field in December if they could. I am from the Pittsburgh area, and love the Steelers, but don’t assume that the Steelers are more or less community minded than the Eagles (they are not, with regard to field use). It is same story with large companies that appear to be very environmentally friendly or green, do you think they do it because they want to spend $$$ millions on it, or is the EPA mandating it. BTW – Love your site.

  6. what Laurie fails to appreciate is the cost and value of lost opportunity…, he has a golden opportunity to develop his own “farm” system of Temple players, discount their lease, help the them attract pro ready players every year.., who stands to benefit the most? the Eagles!!!

  7. I think part of the problem with Lurie is that he never really used any money that he “earned” to get to this position. I believe that when he purchased the Eagles the bulk of the funding was “family” loans. Also, the Rooneys were involved with the development of the NFL and I think have a much better appreciation of working with Pitt and local high schools in order to foster and promote the game and give themselves good PR. I get the impression that Lurie on the other hand realizes he has a captive audience, who will continue to sell out the Linc, buy Eagles merchandise and pressure their politicians for funding at any hint of the Eagles moving.

  8. The really sad thing is that Eagle fans don’t realize that this guy’s a fraud and as long as he’s in charge, the Eagles will not win a Super Bowl. His only concern is making money as exemplified by the many years where his payroll was well below the salary cap.

  9. The Eagles have never won a Super Bows, yet their fans are loyal fools. What’s the definition of insanity? Lurie learned from Leonard Tose, who drunkenly blew his fortune at the tables, ran the team int the gutter, and ransomed the team. Ironically Temple graduate Norman Braman bought the team and kept them in town. Theobald is showing leadership by publicizing Eagle greed and how they fleece their mentally-challenged fans. Hopefully enough people will have catharses and say “enough” The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.”

  10. Just to brainstorm: Temple and Penn could conceivably work together to build a new stadium. Franklin Field sits on an extremely valuable parcel! Penn may be interested in “re-purposing” the stadium into something more economically feasible. Temple could provide Penn a place to play and hold the Penn Relays. You are correct, Franklin Field is not the solution. It may be a factor.

  11. Thanks, Steve, but the Eagles and Steelers got approximately the same amount of taxpayer money to build their stadiums: Steelers got $272 mil of public funding; Eagles got $256 mil from taxpayers.
    It seems to me that the Rooneys are a lot more Pitt-friendly than Lurie is Temple-friendly:
    Lurie went to the Pa. legislature and begged for the money, saying, “Of course, we would allow Temple to play there.”
    Once he got the millions, he changed his tune:

    http://paindependent.com/2010/09/1-billion-and-counting-for-states-taxpayer-funded-stadiums/

  12. The idea that Temple and Penn could collaborate on a new stadium is a good one given the condition and lack of amenities at Franklin Field. Wonder if the Ivy Leaguers would go for it and not hold their noses as they partnered with the riffraff.

    • Very interesting idea in that Penn has a $7.7 BILLION (yes, billion) endowment and that Temple has a $262 MILLION endowment. You could build half a Linc with the entire TU endownment, but 14 Lincs with Penn’s endowment.

  13. That’s Temple’s problem. Despite being a large university with a large alumni base, it has one of the lowest rates of donation by its alumni both to the university generally and the sports department specifically. Why TU doesn’t garner the same kind of love other schools do is a mystery that continues to vex its fundraisers. You would think that more people would support the Owl Club given how many fans there are. Maybe the school hasn’t sufficiently explained the connection between winning and donations; or is it because the Owls, in the last forty years, have consistently disappointed its fan base. I wonder if the football team had beaten PSU once or the basketball team gotten to the Final Four fans would be more devoted and inclined to open their wallets? Hopefully, we’ll find out in the near future. By the way, the minimum donation to the Owls club is only 110.00 dollars, which is only a little more than $9.00 a month.

    • John I think some of the problem is the “historical” view of Temple being a commuter school. I know that has been changing over recent years with a much larger number of students living on campus. But a larger portion of the alumni in the area most likely were like myself, commuting day to day. Regular routine, go to class in the morning and head to a part time job in the afternoon. Plus I think you have a lot of alums who attended on a part time basis for a portion if not all of there college “career”. You other point about never having beaten PSU or made the Final FOur has some real validity as well. I think the next couple of years are critical to changing that situation, now that there is a larger on campus population having successful football and basketball teams should start to build that support level. Another couple of 2 to 3 win football seasons and I think you could forget about getting any better support or attendance in the future.

      • Bruce Arians and Wayne Hardin were the only Temple coaches who realized what beating Penn State would do for Temple. Coach Hardin mentioned it many times and that’s why he went for two, not one, to tie the game on the final play in 1976 (TU lost, 31-30). Arians mentioned it in his first press conference that it was one of his goals was to beat Penn State. He got a standing ovation at Mitten Hall (which was packed on the day he was hired). Bruce, too, got agonizingly close, losing to PSU, 23-18, and 27-25. Daz played PSU tough, losing, 14-10, but that was a brutally-coached game that could have gone the other way had he left “game manager” Mike Gerardi in with a lead. Instead, he put Chester in and then Gerardi felt he had to step out of character and force balls into windows he wasn’t comfortable. Don’t really think PSU guys Golden and Rhule feel the need to beat PSU but that’s the Holy Grail for Temple fans and that’s what would get the 12.5K students out of the dorms and celebrating (hopefully, not rioting).

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